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April 5, 2009

Placebo effect and acupuncture

Posted By James Flanagan

Interesting article at the New York Times Well blog: “Believing in Treatments That Don’t Work“. It briefly covers when ideology trumps evidence, and touches on a lot of points that could kick start a conversation on the placebo effect.

Some years ago, I toyed with an idea to have a store that would exclusively sell exclusively.  The basic idea goes something like this: Company X makes very important looking bottles and pills, parents give the sugared-water to their children without fear of side effects, and everyone wins.   Of course for this sort of thing to be ethical, this would have to be a more perfect world of only small and non-threatening illnesses.

So, how does this all relate to acupuncture? I’m far from an expert and so will point to someone smarter than me.

One of the many perks of working at Google is something called AtGoogleTalks.  World-famous speakers come and talk at various Google offices around the world. James Randi was a speaker a couple of years ago. His foundation, the JREF sponsors a prize of US$1,000,000 to anyone who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event, under test conditions agreed to by both parties. During the talk, available ,  he responded to a question about his position on acupuncture. The following is my own transcription of the talk (question starts at 41 minutes 0 seconds and the answer starts at 41 minutes and 11 seconds):

[...] In any case, I went to this acupuncture clinic, and I spoke to two gentlemen there, who spoke perfect English, and one of them had been educated at MIT. They explained to me and they said “We have some huge medical problems here in China, and so what we have to do is to sort people out who are just working on imaginary ailments and would just like some personal attention and so we bring them into the acupuncture clinic and we give them moxibustion, acupuncture with incense burning on the end, and bring them consolation and they feel better and they like that they’ve gotten some attention from the government. But we make sure that these aren’t people who require anti-biotic or surgery or anything like that, otherwise we will take care of them.” Now this is a confession from the two guys in charge, the two senior officers that they view that acupuncture didn’t work except on a suggestive basis.[...]

More pondering on acupuncture and traditional chinese medicine later.



About the Author

James Flanagan
After a few years of living in Singapore, James headed to Montreal to study at McGill where he received a B.Com in 2006. He jumped on the first plane back to Asia and landed in Beijing. After trying his hands at a couple of different projects, he focused on developing a consulting firm focusing on Asian IT/Biotech firms. Currently, James Flanagan is on the board of The Beijing Rotaract Club, and spends most of his time working on TedxBeijing 2012 with his laptop, in Beijing, PRC.




7 Comments


  1. Inst

    While I agree that acupuncture is a sham medical treatment, is there any correlation between acupuncture points and how the brain maps neural signals? I was reading an article in the New Yorker describing how experimental neuroscientists discovered that parts of the body in amputees are mapped to other parts; they were able to treat phantom limb syndrome by stimulating parts of the body corresponding to amputated limbs. In my own experience, sometimes random pains in my body have repeating correlations to distant body parts.

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    May 18, 2009 at 7:59 am


    • James

      I’m under the impression that acupuncture points do not move and are the same for everyone. If the brain is plastic and can reorganize itself, then the correlation between acupuncture points and the “brain map” will probably be weak.
      Moreover, my view of Chinese traditional medicine is that after thousands of trial and error experiments, the field has stumbled on a couple of substances that work while the majority of its products are placebos.
      It is also possible that, like Chinese traditional medicine, acupuncture has stumbled onto actual correlations but misinterprets them.

      In regards to the phantom limb syndrome, you’re probably referring to the work of Vilayanur S. Ramachandran. His Mirror Box solution is nothing short of awesome.
      As a side note, Ramachandran seems to be in every documentary I’ve seen in recent years somehow related to neurology and behavior. He seems to be a very interesting man.

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      May 18, 2009 at 6:12 pm


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    Acupuncture helped me a lot in relaxation. It takes away some of my muscle cramps due to physical stress.

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  5. Is it the case that if ‘science’ cannot prove something then it does not work or is just placebo? Surely if something is not understood, then any judgement then just becomes prejudice?

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    February 2, 2011 at 2:33 am


  6. Chiropractor Denver Dr. Scott Brown

    Interesting how agendas are pushed. Placebo is an effect of EVERY good treatment regardless of type.

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    June 14, 2011 at 9:40 am



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